About the Rest
About the Rest
I'm Joe Rodriguez, CRNA. After co-hosting the podcast Anesthesia Deconstructed for years, I kept running into the same problem. I was told that if I stayed clinically excellent and kept my head down, the rest would take care of itself. If you're reading this, you know all too well… IT DOES NOT.

Unfortunately, time and time again, I discovered that the most impactful tools to leverage throughout my career in anesthesia (e.g. money, influence, deal negotiations, power) are never taught to us in school or in practice. I had to pick it all up at dinners, off the record, wherever the valuable conversations take place but go unheard.

Honestly, my issue with every other podcast in our field is that clinical teaching and polite leadership talk are…are a little boring. I figure if it bores me, it bores you. So then, where can we learn how groups do or don't make money? How do hospital deals get structured? Why do subsidies keep climbing? What separates a holding company from private equity? What does it take to build leadership that holds up under pressure? The list goes on.

Which brings us here. I present to you the show I've been wanting to see and got tired waiting around for. About the Rest is a twice-monthly inside baseball podcast for the people who run things. Join me as I sit down with fellow anesthesia business leaders Randy Moore and other key voices from the field to take real positions and hash out the big questions, warts and all.

If it's in the public record, it's on the table: announcements, policy changes, lawsuits, the big RFP nobody will explain, the conference moment everyone clocked.

If you want to learn how to get into the OR, this isn't it. About the Rest is about, well, the rest!



Learn More: www.abouttherest.com

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Oct. 27, 2026

Anesthesia Business in 2026: AI and Group vs. Payer Trench Warfare

Anesthesia Business in 2026: AI and Group vs. Payer Trench Warfare
Anesthesia Business in 2026: AI and Group vs. Payer Trench Warfare
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Anesthesia Business in 2026: AI and Group vs. Payer Trench Warfare

Key Takeaways

  • Artificial intelligence is fundamentally escalating the ongoing reimbursement battle between anesthesia groups and payers, with providers leveraging AI to capture revenue and payers deploying it to increase claim denials.
  • A recent Blue Cross Blue Shield study highlighting $942 million in AI-driven billing underscores how this technology arms race ultimately drives up costs and impacts healthcare premiums.
  • Despite rapid advancements in automation, humans will remain in the loop for a long time because insurers often rely on billing errors to justify claim denials.
  • Independent dispute resolution under the No Surprises Act remains a viable tool, but processing fees, months of financial float, and aggressive payer pushback mean execution is critical.
  • As discussed by Joe Rodriguez and industry expert Randy Moore, exceptional site-level clinical leadership and a strong organizational culture are the ultimate deciding factors for which anesthesia groups thrive under pressure.

Anesthesia groups and payers have always fought over reimbursement. AI just changed the weapons. Joe Rodriguez sits down with Randy Moore of NorthStar Anesthesia and Gary Keeling of Coronis Health to break down the AI billing arms race, what a new BCBS study revealing $942 million in AI-driven billing means for premiums, and why insurers may not actually want perfect billing.

They also cover the latest CRNA opt-out news, the state of independent dispute resolution (IDR) under the No Surprises Act, and the factor that quietly decides which anesthesia groups thrive: leadership and culture.



Takeaways:

  1. AI is escalating the oldest fight in healthcare. Providers use AI to capture more revenue; payers are building AI to deny more claims. BCBS alone points to $942 million in AI-driven billing.

  2. Insurers may not want perfect billing. Errors create room for denials. Expect humans in the loop for a long time.

  3. Patients pay for the arms race. Higher billing costs to payers move into premiums.

  4. AI makes knowledge cheap. The premium shifts to people who frame the right questions and execute.

  5. IDR works, but it isn't free money. Fees, months of float, contract exposure, and payer pushback make execution the difference.

  6. Leadership decides which contracts survive. Site-level clinical leadership and culture matter more than most groups treat them.

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Thanks for my co-hosts:

Randy Moore (EVP & National Chief CRNA, NorthStar Anesthesia)

Gary Keeling (VP of Anesthesia Services, Coronis RCM)


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Frequently Asked Questions

How is AI changing the relationship between anesthesia groups and payers?

AI has turned healthcare billing into an arms race where providers use technology to capture more revenue while payers deploy automated systems to deny more claims.

What role does Randy Moore play in the anesthesia industry?

Randy Moore serves as the EVP and National Chief CRNA at NorthStar Anesthesia, bringing critical executive insights to discussions on anesthesia business strategy and leadership.

Does independent dispute resolution under the No Surprises Act provide easy money for groups?

No, while IDR works, it is not free money due to administrative fees, months of financial float, contract exposure, and significant payer pushback.

Why might health insurers not want perfect billing from providers?

Billing errors and imperfections create necessary room for insurers to issue claim denials, making flawless automated billing potentially unfavorable to payer business models.